Sociology Who has the real power?

Discussion in 'Sociology' started by Ape, Feb 21, 2005.

  1. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    Politicly speaking who is really making all the main decisions that make big change and in war who decides the tactics and the battle plans? I just suddenly became interested with politics and am curious whoes pulling all the strings. Please help me out.
  2. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    No one in particular pulls the strings, its like a group choice. But the decisions are made at the top but only thru the data they recieve from the bottom up. They provide the problems and solutions to fixing the problem, but many things weigh into making those decisions. Thats where it all comes together. Then then the top dog in charge is given the options to make the decision, they are left with what they call courses of action.
  3. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    Oh the real power is those who are doing the job at hand...its the leaders at the top who base their decisions on what is best for those doing the job. Too many people like to point the finger at the top, when they only chose what was best by what was proposed from bottom side.

    While I was in the Corps, when we would make decisions on a tactical plan involving many moving parts, its takes hours to decide the best course of action to take when you have to make that movement or obide by that order within the next 12-24 hrs...and there is input by everyone. Much of that is like any decision you make, the bigger the problem, includes more moving parts, personnel, ideas, opinions, etc.
  4. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    You were in the marines mind telling me bout it I want to join when I'm out of high school.
  5. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    Have you been to the website?

    I can give you some site info about it for your own reading.

    I loved it when I was in I kick myself for getting out, I spent 10 yrs in. I had a great time when i was in, even some of the places I had been too...although some were not nice at all to be in...but I did sign a contract and knew what was asked of me and I did it, like it or not.
  6. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    I have been there but would love the info.
  7. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    What do you want to know?
  8. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    Well first off what did you do?
  9. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    I had several MOS (Military Occupational Specialities). I was 0311; Infantry Rifleman, then got my cert in Recon 0321, then I messed up my back on my 3rd jump in jump school (parachute) so i got recycled to 3051 Supply Warehouseman for the next 4.5 yrs picking up addtional MOS 0431 Embarkation Specialist as well as additional duties as Platoon Sergeant, Training NCO (NonCommissioned Officer), Barracks Manager, HAZMAT Coordinator, plus lots of licenses for vehicles. Near the end of my time as a 3051, I picked up my indoc cert for 0321 again, but HQMC (HQ Marine Corps) wouldnt let me re-enlist as 0321, but let me maintain my indoc cert for 1 yr, which I got to do some training/observer with 2nd Recon BN, Camp Lejuene. I re-enlisted as 0231 Intelligence Specialist, and was stuck with a HQ fro about 6 months before I was promoted by position, not rank to Intelligence Cheif for AV8B Harrier Squadron. Thank God I had a CO (Commanding Officer) that love to deploy, we were everywhere all the time all over not to mention serving our normal deployments as required.

    During my tour I have been in 60 countries, seen war, been to peaceful places, lots of inter agency training/exercises as well as working with host nations on joint exercises, like Spain, Italy, Germany, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Australia, Phillipines, Japan, Okinawa, South Korea, England, Norway, France, Ukraine, Portugal to name a few.
  10. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    Well I have a bunch of questions.
    1.) Were did you learn everything? Like weapons and who does what and all that.
    2.)Did u go to college at all?
    3.)What's the difference between officers and enlisted men?
    4.)Were can I learn about all the different ranks?
    5.) Whoes in charge there?
    6.) What would someone need to do to get a head start? (my case too young)
    7.)Most importantly Any cool stories?
  11. overrocked

    overrocked Premium Member

    Yeah, I'd like to know too! My son is in the Marines- his choice in careers is to be a policeman. He lifted weights to prepare for training- and he's a well-muscled lad!

    Did you get to learn jujitsu or any other martial art? I'm currently learning martial arts and how good it feels to connect with a 'target':bounce:
  12. tablet

    tablet Premium Member

    It depend really. We at the bottom are the engine that generate power. Or look at it this way.. we're the battery! and this is what Morpheus from Matrix tried to tell Neo.

    The one at the top holds the flashlight, they controls the light. And also, those with hidden knowledge do have power.
  13. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    Well then how does one get to hold the flash light? And what type of hidden knowlege r u talking about?
  14. Young William

    Young William Premium Member

    When you decided to become a U.S. Marine, you must truly understand that you will thereafter be a U.S. Marine for the rest of your living days.
    Even if you learn to lie and cheat, whereever you may end up, you'll still be a Marine.
  15. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    I'm confused.
  16. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    What do u mean?
  17. Young William

    Young William Premium Member

    Depending upon how you view it, the experience that you'll potentially face will encompass some of the most extreme points in life that you really can't explain, but you'll realize them when you're there.
  18. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member


    1.) Were did you learn everything? Like weapons and who does what and all that.

    Well you have basic training, depending where you are located determines which basic training location you go to. Majority of the time, unless backlogged, goes like this, East of the Miss. River Parris Island, SC. West of the Miss River, San Diego, Ca.

    There are 3 parts to basic training or boot camp as we call it. Phase I - Basic training involving, physical fitness, drilling, Marine Corps knowledge (history, traditions, customs courtesys, rank structure, uniforms, etc). This is the phase where they seperate those who want to be a Marine and those who do not...basically they evaluate you thru this to see if you have what it takes, mentally, physically, emotionally. Also its the phase to mold you as well, seperating you from what you know, your living style, and shaping you into fit, mentally sound, oiled bodies in preparation to becoming a Marine. Its tough, especially the first week - 2 weeks. Everything you think you will come to expect dont expect it, cause it wont happen.

    I remember the first day when we got picked up...picked up means, when you arrive you, you are in-processing for about 1-7 days, basically when you arrive when they have enough to start a company, 6 platoons with roughly 50-90 recruits, depends if they are in a slow time, it may be less than 50 per platoon, if they are overcrowed it may be up to 90 even 100 at times. Note: Marine platoons in the fleet are 33-35 personnel, each with a mission and task. Anyhow, we got picked up, of course of all days of the year, April 1st (April Fools Day).

    So we leave our barracks and move to our new home for the next 13 wks (back then it was 13 now its 12 wks). We were postioned on the floor and were introduced to our Company HQ Echelon, then our SDI and DI's (SDI-Sr. Drill Instructor). Once the Platoon Series Commander released us to the DI's and he walked off deck, OMG...HELL broke loose and this was at 9am I think...we had the whole day. My platoon had 72 that the end of the day, we were standing online and the DI's wlaked up and down, the barracks was a reck, everything we were given for the next 3 months, boots, uniforms, hygeine gear, underwear, socks, t-shirts, was all in the middle of the floor, MIXED together. The SDI told us we had 3 min to get this crap off his floor or it went in the trash and when it went in the footlockers, it better be locked shut, well the locks were also in the middle of the pile too. And we couldnt talk either...90% was cleaned up. The other 10 went in the trash, no if you had a boot on that floor well someone is going to be a boot short. Eventually you do get it back but thru physical fitness pain, in Parris Island (PI), they call it the Island Hopping Campaign, where you go to the sandbox and you dig (physical exercises) as they are called out to you. Flutter kicks, pushups, jumping jacks, bicycle, etc and you better know the exercise cause each time you dont move fast enough or miss the exercise called, the longer you get dug.

    So, that evening after the clean up, the SDI asked who didnt want to be there, that this wasnt for them to take a step forward. OMG, 34 stepped out of 72. Then they told us ok you will stay here tonight you have til morning all of us to unscrew our gear have it folded and packed neatly (our stuff was already marked by name) ready for inspection and those who were leaving to have their gear in seabags ready to leave at 4am. That was Day 1. Didnt get any easier.

    Phase II - Weapons Training - 2 wks. One week of feild classes on M16, which will be tested before shooting the following week for qualification. In between you are drilling, drilling drilling drilling. Once you qualify, you will proceed on, if you dont qualify and you are given a 2nd chance on qual day (i think that still happens), if you dont qual, you are recycled out of your platoon to be picked up by the next company coming in that weekend for training and you will go again for 2 more weeks. If you dont make it then, last chance and if not you are dropped and discharged.

    Phase III - We use to call it BWT Back Woods Training. This is where you learn how to maneuver thru courses, with your weapon, bayonet training, navigation, field first aid training, rapelling, gas chamber, and you still drill, PT, etc.

    Now since 1996 they added the Crucible, which takes what you learned in BWT and you do a mock 2 day war, with hardly any food, hardly any sleep, you hump, dig fighting holes the whole deal to prep you. You must make it thru the Crucible to earn the title US Marine. Once you make it then you are about 1 wk away from graduating, whcih you clean gear, turn in gear, clean the barracks, get ready for graduation, uniform inspections, weapons inspections, drill, final physical fitness test (PFT), arrange your pay issues, its pretty busy week to get you out the door.

    Then you go on leave (vacation depending how long), mine was for 10 days, then I had to report in down in NC for MCT (Marine Combat Training). Use to be when I went it was segregated male/female, now its coed, you train together, unit cohesion thing. Its 3 weeks long and you do alot of weapons training and field environment training. This is where you learn more about land navigation, first aid, defense perimeters, security details, radio comms, machine gun training and firing. Basically its one step further from boot camp with a few extras. The basic essential training for what the typical Marine will use and to get them a formality with it.

    Before you graduate, back then you got your MOS assignment, most of the time, you already know what you are gettign before you go to boot camp, but sometimes, they have other positions they need Marines to fill, so you get to put a request in prior to starting MCT training. Thats if you wish to change if you dont then what you picked is what you get.

    I, myself, already knew that I was going to be infantry, so all I was doing was dragging myself across the street to SOI (School of Infantry). There you go more in depth with patrolling, weapon training with machine guns, shoulder launch missile systems, mortars, defense/offense perimeter, etc. Here is where the recon bubbas came in and asked for volunteers to do our indoc for recon. I passed it barely, but it wasnt so much that you passed it really, it was how much heart and pain will you go thru to acheive the goal. I was taken out of SOI and sent over to another camp where I went thru 8 wks of rigorous training for recon and the when you go thru that course, avg dropout rate, even to this day is 72%.

    Once I got thru it and graduated picking up my new MOS as recon we were assigned to recon bn under the training platoon, where we went to schools for diving, jump, sniper and so forth.

    As far as who does what, that depends on what you will be doing in the Corps. But you learn the basic fundamentals thru basic.
  19. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    USMC continued

    2.)Did u go to college at all?

    I got a chance to go, but I didnt really get to do much, do to the fact that I was constantly in victor units. Victor units are highly deployable units. I dont think I was ever in a non victor unit as I recall. But if you have the chance and you know for sure you will not be deploying for at least a semester, go while you can. The Corps doesnt persuade you to not go, but if you are a deploying unit, you have to take precaution and before you can even attend school, you have to get approval from the command. If persay you get called up to deploy, most schools on the base will waive it or let you finish elsewhere or let you come back to finish up or test. Its gotten alot better since i was in. If you deploy on ship, they have classes but you have to look for them, usually they are taught by certified Marine/Navy officers to teach the course. Also, with new tech, online courses are avail also, but remember if you are on ship, you wont stay on ship the entire deployment either, guranteed. My 2 tours on ship I was deployed 5 mo on avg out of 6 mo at sea, IOW, I wasnt on ship.

    I am about to go back to college this fall and start working on something. I have 13 yrs, accordign to my contract, to use my GI bill, which I only paid $100 a month for 12 months and it once it matures usually after your inital contract is up, depends on what you signed for. Nowadays, you get more than I do if you sign. Mine is 24K, but I put more into it before I got out. BUt I have 13 yrs to start using it, if I dont after 13 yrs I loose it.

    3.)What's the difference between officers and enlisted men?

    Well if you go to college and get a degree or working on one and decide to join there are differnet programs. Basically Officers are in charge of enlisted. From what I know, you are tested in OCS, Officer Candidate School. You have the opportunity to test for pilots if you meet the criteria. Based on your test results depends on if you fly rotary wing or fixed wing. From there, you are tested I think again for the platform you will fly. The higher the score the better chance of gettign fixed wing and flying AV8B Harrier, C130, EA6B, F18.

    Most OCS grads end up in Admin, Supply, Infantry and Motor Transport. If you go the ground route, dont go admin or supply, majority of officers hate it, unless they wanted it. But you really dont get to pick, they pick by the needs of the Corps.

    Here are some links to help you out some:
  20. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    USMC cont

    4.)Were can I learn about all the different ranks?

    You acheive rank by your MOS and you have certain point scoring you have to acheive in order to get promoted. E-1 thru E-3 is pretty simple. E-1 for like 8 months, E-2 for 9 months once you get E-3 min is one yr unless you get meritoriously promoted.

    All depends on your contract. I went in as a E-2 with guarantee E-3 within 6 months. BUt I signed a 6 yr contract plus i had other benefits. It all depends on what is available and what you try to get it. Sometimes, lower rank will get you like gepgraphical location, like east coast, west coast or overseas. It just depends and it may not be avail at all.

    5.) Whoes in charge there?

    Commandant of the Marine Corps and the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps. The Marine Corps does not have a 5 star General, because it falls under the Dept of the Navy. All other branches have 5 star generals.

    6.) What would someone need to do to get a head start? (my case too young)

    Physical fitness, study up on Marine knowlegde, if someone near you that is a Marine or former Marine, ask them if they have their BST (Basic Skills Training) handbooks that you can borrow. There is a boot camp one and then there is 4 books. These are basic knowledge books from uniforms to drilling to weapons, patrolling. All things you will learn in boot camp.

    If you get serious about joining, then your recruiter will help you from there. He wont be able to give out the BST's but he will have prep material for you to prepare yourself physically and so forth.