ID Lounge Wars: Which one intrigues you?

Discussion in 'ID Members Lounge' started by mscbkc070904, Mar 22, 2005.

  1. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    I know that war is not glorious, but some people find it fascinating how wars shaped history, what they were fighting for, the beliefs, the minds of generals, kings, warlords, operated, thought. The strategies implemented, the deceptions, etc.

    I have listed above Wars, of course, can list them all, but which one interest you the most, whether is was something you learned in history class back in school, college course, or just overall. And the one you picked, please tell us, WHY or WHAT does it interest you so.
     
  2. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    If you want to find out more about wars or a specific war, a ton of them are not listed, this is a good site to provide the name of the war, years, and a synopsis of what the war was about.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars
     
  3. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    The War of Warrign States

    Chinese history is shaped mainly by it wars. The ethnic of battle is heroic, honorable and very disciplined. Alot of the ancient Asian wars are like this. But this war was of constant change, deception, alignments by whatever or whomever had the upper hand in the benefit. It started out as a land dispute between dynasty's, then turned political and of course militarily. Also the concepts of military structure changed as well.

    The movie Hero was based during this era as well as the movie "The Emperor and the Assassin".
     
  4. Bleys

    Bleys Phoenix Takes Flight Staff Member

    :bouncy:

    Always been interested in World War II - pacific theatre. The belief system of the Japanese troops, the strategies of Yamamoto and the US commanders are fascinating to me. Doolittle's Raiders and Boyington's Black Sheep - great stuff.


    B.
     
  5. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    WWII is probably my 2d choice, hence it paved the way to new technology. As well as it was like a clash of old style warfighting and new style warfighting. WWII opened alot of doors in advances in technology and life. Believe it or not Japan was nearly 25 yrs behind the rest of the world when they entered the war. Now they are like 10-20 ahead of the world.

    And for a war to be fought on 2 different fronts in two totally different parts of the world with different terrain and warfighting ethos, just amazing the feats overcome by so many.
     
  6. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    what about the US?
     
  7. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    What do you mean Awokenmind?
     
  8. Ape

    Ape Premium Member

    You said, "Believe it or not Japan was nearly 25 yrs behind the rest of the world when they entered the war. Now they are like 10-20 ahead of the world." nd I was wondering how far ahead the US was.
     
  9. _Angel_1991

    _Angel_1991 Premium Member

    You know, I am fascinated by the Crusades because I believe that the war is why any people hold stereotypesagainst Christians even to this day.
     
  10. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    Awokenmind, I cant really say, as each year passes, nations, become increasingly advanced, US is probably not far behind, but the estimate, my fault, about 20 yrs ahead was back in early 1990's. When I was in Okinawa, I had a cell phone there, it was pretty small, sort of like the small ones now, that was in 1996. When i got back the US, cell phone were still the size of your hand and weighed 1-3 lbs. But now, I believe we are probably 1-3 yrs behind the power curve. Japan is a much smaller nation, hard working, very disciplined peoples, they are veru dedicated to their work and always trying to stay ahead on the techno power curve, if they dont, that nation will suffer. But due to the fact that they are much smaller, adavance in tech is easier to push into production and as well as upgrades, unlike the US, so huge, we have to upgrade everything to accept the tech, like recieving TV on cells. The towers have to be upgraded, federal permissions are needed, bandwiths expanded, then you have safety concerns, hazardous concerns due to high outputs to recieve and realy that stuff to the towers to your phone.

    Just examples, hope that answers your question.
     
  11. malik

    malik Premium Member

    WW II fascinates me .. Woodrow Wilson, Winston Churcill, Hitler, Stalin, Mousolini all very interesting characters. The second world war really interests me because of the beginning of the nuclear age. The blitzkrieg against Britain. The treaty of Versailles and the League of Nations to name a few.

    All the wars could have been prevented especially WW II!!
     
  12. Mark

    Mark ♤♡◇♧ Staff Member

    The US Civil war.
     
  13. oddtodd

    oddtodd Premium Member

    I am intrigued by WW-4 . Einstein said WW-3 would be fought with nuclear weapons , but #4 would be fought with sticks and stones .

    Simplify !
     
  14. bodebliss

    bodebliss The Zoc-La of Kromm-B Premium Member

    the Peloponnesian War

    the Hundred year war

    The little recognized, long war of centralized government civilization against the decentralized government as represented by Kelts vs Greeks,Romans, and finally the English(about 8,000 years of human struggle) . Sadly, centralized government won.
     
  15. Waxy cheesecake

    Waxy cheesecake Premium Member

    Starwars! :lol:
    Actually WW-2 is probably the war I'm most interested. I'm not really that interested in wars, though.
     
  16. Icewolf

    Icewolf Premium Member

    Who fought in the Barby Wars?
     
  17. tablet

    tablet Premium Member

    I'm interest in the current war that is taking place right now. It's an "Invisible War" being fought very heavily.

    The media, Hollywood, the government, the people from all corner is in the way of this war and that's what's so interest about it! We're all between this war only those that see it will be intrigue by it. Those that don't see it, there's nothing there to see...
     
  18. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    The First Barbary War (1801–1805, also known as the Barbary Coast War or the Tripolitan War) was one of two wars fought between the United States of America and the semiautonomous North African city-states of Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, known collectively as the Barbary States.

    Origins and Causes

    Since the 17th century, the Barbary States of North Africa, although nominally governed by the Ottoman Empire, had been largely independent kleptocracies, run by piratical military strongmen and financed by plunder, tribute, and ransom.

    The nations of Great Britain and France had come to uneasy ententes with the pirates; a combination of military might, diplomacy, and under-the-counter payments had kept ships flying the Union Jack or fleur-de-lys more or less safe from attack. As British colonists before 1776, American merchant vessels had enjoyed the protection of the Royal Navy. During the American Revolution, American ships came under the aegis of France due to a 1778 treaty of alliance between the two countries.

    By 1783, however, with the end of the Revolution, America became solely responsible for the safety of its own commerce and citizens. Without the means or the authority to field a naval force necessary to protect their ships in the Mediterranean, the nascent US government took a more pragmatic but ultimately self-destructive route. In 1784 the United States Congress allocated money for payment of tribute to the pirates.

    Use for the money came in 1785, when the dey of Algiers took two American ships hostage and demanded $60,000 in ransom for its crew. Then-ambassador to France Thomas Jefferson argued that conceding the ransom would only encourage more attacks. His objections fell on the deaf ears of a green US government too riven with domestic discord to make a strong show of force overseas. The US paid Algiers the ransom, and continued to pay up to $1 million per year over the next 15 years for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. Payments in ransom and tribute to the privateering states amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.

    Jefferson continued to argue for cessation of the tribute, with rising support from George Washington and others. With the recommissioning of the American navy in 1794 and increased firepower on the seas, it became more and more possible for America to say no, although by now the long-standing habit of tribute was hard to overturn. A largely successful undeclared war with French privateers in the late 1790s showed that American naval power was sufficient to protect the nation's interests.

    Outbreak of war

    On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801 the pasha of Tripoli demanded $225,000 from the new administration. Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, in May of 1801, the pasha declared war on the United States, not through any formal written documents, but by cutting down the flagstaff in front of the US Consulate. Morocco, Algiers, and Tunis soon followed their ally.

    In response, Jefferson sent a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Although Congress never voted on a formal declaration of war, that authorized the President to instruct the commanders of armed vessels of the United States to seize all vessels and goods of the Bey of Tripoli "and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify."

    Algiers and Tunis backed down almost immediately on show of force by the Americans, but Tripoli and Morocco remained committed. The American navy went unchallenged in the sea, and as the question remained undecided Jefferson pressed the issue the following year, with an increase in military force and deployment of many of the navy's best ships to the region throughout 1802. USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw service during the war under the overall command of Commodore Edward Preble. Throughout 1803 Preble set up and maintained blockade of the Barbary ports and executed a campaign of raids and attacks against the cities' fleets.

    In October of 1803, the fleet of Tripoli was able to capture the Philadelphia intact, holding its captain, William Bainbridge, and all officers and crew as hostages. On February 16, 1804, a small contingent of sailors in a disguised Intrepid and led by the redoubtable Lieutenant Stephen Decatur, Jr., were able to invade the harbor of Tripoli and burn the Philadelphia, denying her use to the enemy. Decatur's bravery in action made him a hero to Americans back home.

    Preble attacked Tripoli outright on July 14, 1804 in a series of inconclusive battles, including a courageous but unsuccessful attack by the fire ship USS Intrepid under Captain Richard Somers. Intrepid, packed with explosives, was to enter Tripoli harbor and destroy itself and the enemy fleet; it was destroyed, perhaps by enemy guns, perhaps accidentally, before achieving that goal.

    The turning point in the war came with the Battle of Derna, after a remarkably daring overland attack on the Tripolitan city of Derna by a combined force of American marines and Arab, Greek and Berber mercenaries, under the command of ex-consul William Eaton and Lieutenant Presley O'Bannon. This action, memorialized in the Marine Hymn—"to the shores of Tripoli"—gave the American forces a significant advantage.

    Wearied of the blockade and raids, and now under threat of a continued advance on to Tripoli proper and a scheme to set up his brother as ruler, the pasha of Tripoli signed a treaty ending hostilities on June 10, 1805. Although the Senate did not approve the treaty until the following year, this effectively ended the First Barbary War.

    Legacy of war

    In many ways, the First Barbary War did not meet its implicit goals. It did not, in fact, end America's position of tributary to the Barbary pirates. In fact, part of the treaty of 1805 was an agreement to pay ransom for sailors taken hostage by Algiers—part of the reason it took so long for the Senate to ratify. The Barbary states emerged relatively unscathed. For them, the First Barbary War was one in a series of punitive wars that signalled their weakened status and foreshadowed eventual colonialization by France, starting in the 1830s.

    For the United States, however, it was an important campaign. America's military command and war mechanism had been up to that time relatively untested. The First Barbary War proved that America could execute a war far from home, and that American forces had the cohesion to fight together as Americans rather than Georgians or New Yorkers. The United States Navy and Marines became a permanent part of the American government and the American mythos, and Decatur returned to the US as its first post-Revolutionary war hero. The war also forced the pacifist President Jefferson to reevaluate the importance of military might in making the United States a world power. In some ways, America's success during the First Barbary War made the nation overly confident in its own ability—a confidence made manifest in the War of 1812.

    The more immediate problem of Barbary piracy, however, was not fully settled. By 1807, Algiers had gone back to taking American ships and seamen hostage. Distracted by the preludes to the War of 1812, the Americans were unable to respond to the provocation until 1815, with the Second Barbary War.

    [Edited on 3-30-2005 by mscbkc070904]
     
  19. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    Second Barbary War

    The Second Barbary War (1815, also known as the Algerian War) was the second of two wars fought between the United States of America and the semi-autonomous North African city-states of Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, known collectively as the Barbary States. It brought to a conclusive end the American practice of paying tribute to the pirate states.

    After its victory in the First Barbary War (1801–1805), the attention of the United States had been diverted to its worsening relationship with France and the United Kingdom, culminating in the War of 1812. The unchastened Barbary pirate states took this opportunity to return to their practice of attacking American merchant vessels in the Mediterranean Sea and holding the crew and officers for ransom. Unable to devote military resources and political will to the situation, the United States quietly recommenced paying ransom for return of prisoners.

    The expulsion of American vessels from the Mediterranean during the War of 1812 by the British navy further emboldened the brigandine nations. The Dey of Algiers expelled the US consul general Tobias Lear and declared war on the United States for failing to pay its required tribute. Since there were no American vessels in the region at this time, the challenge went unheeded.

    At the conclusion of the War of 1812, however, America could once again turn its sights on North Africa. On March 3, 1815 the US Congress authorized deployment of naval power against Algiers, and a force of ten ships was dispatched under the command of Commodores Stephen Decatur, Jr. and William Bainbridge — both heroes of the first war.

    Decatur and Bainbridge used the pirates' tactics against them. Taking hundreds of prisoners in an attack on Algiers, Decatur bargained for a treaty releasing the United States from any tribute obligations in perpetuity, as well as $10,000 in reparations for damages to the US. By June 30, 1815 the treaty was signed and the threat of Barbary pirates to American vessels was at an end.

    No sooner had Decatur set off for Tunis to enforce a similar agreement than the Dey repudiated the treaty. The next year, an Anglo-Dutch fleet, commanded by British admiral Viscount Exmouth, delivered a punishing, nine-hour bombardment of Algiers. The attack immobilized many of the dey's corsairs and obtained from him a second treaty that reaffirmed the conditions imposed by Decatur. In addition, the dey agreed to end the practice of enslaving Christians.