History Mother Of Us All, Or Sister? Olmecs A Puzzle

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  1. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    Has anyone ever heard of this Olmecs? I dont recall them being mentioned in history books.

  2. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    Little History of the Olmec

    During the Pre-classic period between 1200 BC-600 AD, the Olmec were the most prevalent group in Mesoamerica. The Olmec resided around the regions of La Venta in Tabasco, San Lorenzo Tenochtitlan and Laguna de los Cerros in Veracruz. They seem to be highly developed and well organized. They developed a complex calendar and hieroglyphic writing system, and had unique art creations.

    The Olmec cities were constructed around a central raised mound, which was used for religious ceremonies. Around 900 BC, these raised mounds were replaced with pyramid-shaped structures. A hierarchical society is seen by the separation of the elite and common groups in the residential houses. The houses were made of wooden walls with clay and palm roof tops.

    Crop production was made possible by an irrigation system that was built through the city. Crops were supplemented by fishing and hunting. The Olmecs had access to many waterways which were used for fishing and trading. Basalt, found in the Tuxtla Mountains, was used to construct plazas and religious pyramid structures. Basalt, among other substances, was thought to have been traded from different cultures surrounding the Olmecs.

    Animals were strong symbols in the Olmec religion. Because of this, it is concluded that the Olmecs practiced shamanism. They believed that each person had an animal spirit. Hallucinogenic drugs from the marine frog may have been used by the shamans for trances. The nobles were buried with jewels in plazas constructed of jade walls. The Temple of the Feathered Serpent in Teotihuacan is an example of an Olmec ceremonial site.

    Olmecs are most notable for their colossal head art. It is theorized that the heads are modeled after their rulers. Most of the colossal heads were decapitated or destroyed in some way. Researchers believe that the Olmecs did this themselves after a ruler died as a sacrifice to the gods or animal spirits. The #@!&% features of the heads were people with slanted eyes and large lips. Many have argued over whether the Olmecs were of African or Asia descent, because of these #@!&% features. Others believe that this is just an overgeneralization. Most of the heads were deformed, which is done at birth for noble children, as the Mayan culture did. (See picture).

    Other motifs in Olmec art consist of jaguars, serpents and monkeys. The jaguar is seen to be a supernatural creature, because of its repetition in the art form. An intertwining between human and animal figures reflects the religious belief of the connection between the two. Most sculptures were made of jade, which was also not found in the Olmec region.
  3. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

  4. marcus

    marcus Premium Member

    I've heard a little about the Olmecs before and remember seeing pictures of the heads.Thanks for the links.

    El Tigre,when I saw the topic was about Olmecs I just knew you be here giving it plenty about the heads :D

    No offence but I keep picturing the brother who wears the dishiki in the film Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood (if nobody gets this sorry,bad joke)
  5. El_Tigre

    El_Tigre New Member

    Depending On Your Ethnicity

    Regarding the heads as evidence - well, I also started an entire thread about the possibility of Aborigines reaching the Americas long before any other groups.

    There's enough data on the subject to choke an ignorant person so, I hope none are at hand:

    According to an archeologist who recently participated in archeological work in Mexico, One of the most ancient civilizations in the Americas, the Black (Negritic) Olmecs developed a calendar that goes back to about 3,113 years Before Christ. The archeologist who appeared on the Art Bell show made that point.

    The ancient "Olmecs" of Mexico and Mesoamerica are one of the most intriguing civilizations of the Americas. In fact, they are the first civilization in Mexico and it was from them that all other civilizations in Mesoamerica followed.

    Yet, the fact that the Olmecs were most likely a Black civilization of African origins has not been made public and the "Indian" elements in Mexico have gained more prominence to the extent that the Negroid substrata of the ancient Mexican/Mesoamerican civilizations has been kept hidden.

    Yet, over the past many years, various levels of proof have been found linking the "Olmecs" to Africans in the Western part of Africa:

    Linguistic Similarities

    Studies done by researchers such as Ivan Van Sertima (They Came Before Columbus), Alexander Von Wuthenau (Unexpected Faces in Ancient America), Runoko Rashidi and others have presented evidence that clearly show that the Olmecs were not Indians with "baby faces," or Indians who looked like Blacks (although a few Olmecs did mix with the Native Americans).

    They were Africans no different from Africans found in the Mende regions of West Africa.

    Studies done by Clyde Winters show that the Olmecs used the Mende script, a writing system used among the Mandinkas and other Africans in West Africa. When the writings on Olmec monuments were translated, it was found that the language spoken by the Olmecs was Mende.

    Religious Similarities

    The Olmecs practiced a religion and astronomical sciences identical to those practiced by Africans in the Mali region and Nigeria today. The Olmecs studied the Venus Complex in astronomy. Today, the Ono and Bambara who are famous sea and river travelers have studied that same complex for thousands of years.

    In fact, another group the Dogon are well known for their tracking and mapping of the Sirius star system and their accurate results.

    The Olmecs also had a religious practice of Thunder worship where the ax was a prominent feature. In West Africa, the ax is also a prominent feature in connection with the Shango or Thunder God worship. Both the Olmecs and the Shango worshippers in West Africa placed an emphasis on the religious significance of children in their religious practices.

    The Olmecs Were Related To Blacks Of The Mende Group Of West Africa

    The Olmecs carved about twenty-two collosal stone heads in the southern parts of Mexico and their influence have been found in Guatemala and further south. Olmec type sculptures have also been found in parts of the U.S., (the Washitaw Nation of Louisiana; www.hotep.org ), where another prehistoric Black nation (who still has members and land today) existed.

    The Olmecs and Washitaw, Black Californians, Jamassee, Califunami and other pre-columbian Blacks of the Americas were part of a prehistoric trade network that began in Africa and spread worldwide over 100,000 years ago and at various periods afterwards.

    According to the book, Susu Economics The History of Pan-African Trade, Commerce, Money and Wealth, these Blacks found in the Americas, as well as remnants of their ancient civilizations are not a myth or fairytale.

    The ancient Blacks of the Americas are the missing pieces of a large puzzle that would be solved if many of today's writers, scientists, historians and archeologists were not as biased or "embarrassed," like the Mexican archeologists who found out without a doubt, that the Olmecs of Mexico were Black Africans and they introduced the first astronomical calendar to Mexico about 3,113 years Before Christ.

    Not only is there an ancient Black African presence and contribution to the creation of civilization and culture in prehistoric and ancient America, but there also is such a presence and contribution in Mesopotamia (Nimrod a son of Kush developed the region, it is said), Sabea/Arabia, India, Cambodia, Southern China and Melanesia/South Pacific region.

    African Cultural Similarities

    The Olmecs used an African practice that is very common in Africa and to some extent in Melanesia. That practice is body scarification and specifically #@!&% scarification as practiced in West Africa.

    Many of the #@!&% scars seen on the Olmec terracotta faces, such as "dot" keloids and "lined" patterns are identical to Africans such as the Dinka of Sudan and the Yoruba and others of West Africa. (Dinka scarification can be found in old copies of National Geographic.

    Olmec scarification can be found in the text by "Alexander Von Wuthenau, Unexpected Faces in Ancient America."

    African hairstyles such as cornroes are found on many of the Olmec terracotta found in Mexico. Both kinky hair carved into one of the collosal stone heads of basalt, as well as the cornroed style wearing tassels (see African Presence in Early America, by Ivan Van Sertima; Transaction Publishers), have been found.

    The "cornrow" factor clearly shows that these Blacks who were in Mexico in prehistoric times most likely came from the West Africa/South Sahara region, rather than Melanesia. It is in West Africa that cornroes are very common and have been since prehistoric times.

    Olmecs Introduced The First Aspects Of Meso-American Civilization

    The Black Olmecs were the first to build "pyramids" in Mexico, although these were built of mud and one was more cone-shaped then actually pyramidal. The Olmecs apart from carving 22 collosal stone heads dating to about 1100 B.C., also created thousands of work of art throughout Mesoamerica. Olmec terracotta art show people involved in a variety of activities from wrestling to pottery making.

    In retrospect, there is no doubt that the ancient Olmecs of Mexico and the Olmec language, religion, culture were of African origins and specifically of the Mende group of West Africa.

    Still it is sad that essays on the Olmecs are not presented in publications, when the African origins of this Mesoamerican civilization is presented, including the latest findings.

    There is hope, however that the most recent findings of the ancient Olmec calendar and the similarities in race, culture and language with Africans in West Africa will be brought out and made available to those who see an obvious African influence and presence in early America.

    The Olmecs: An African Presence in Early America
  6. marcus

    marcus Premium Member

    What are black americans ? Don't you realise were all Africans perhaps you should read up on Marcus Garvey.
    Stereotyped by the likes of me-what exactly is the likes of me?
    Your being ridiculous again what are you going to do get on a plane and hunt me down,grow up.
  7. El_Tigre

    El_Tigre New Member


    The oldest civilization known in the Americas was the Olmec, and it was of Black Africoid origin and flourished over a 5000 years period.

    This civilization existed in the Americas before the arrival of the red Indians. In fact, at the time of the Europeans arrival in Central and South America in the 15th century, descendants of the Black Olmecs were abounding throughout that region, particularly in Mexico.

    In this regard, the testimony of Nicolas Leon proves instructive on how ancient the African presence was in America. In fact, he says that Black people were the Original people of Mexico.

    “The almost extinction of the original Negroes during the time of the Spanish conquest and the memories of them in the most ancient traditions induce us to believe that the Negroes were the first inhabitants of Mexico.” (Historia—General De Mexico, Mexico, 1919).

    Riva-Palacio, a Mexican scholar stresses this point: “It is indisputable that in very ancient times the Mexicans recall a Negro god, Ixlilton, which means black – face.” The Black Olmec Africoids were ethnologically connected to Africa’s Nile Valley Civilization (Dr. Diop, Nations, Negres et Culture, p. 116, Presence Africaine, Paris, 1955).

    Moreover, in 1492 when Christopher Columbus was approaching the shores of the Americas, his Chief Navigator was a Black Moor from Mauritania name Don Pietro Olonzo Nino, Captain of the Flag ship—Maria, who logged in his diary as their ships approached the shores of the Americas, seeing Black Africans on land, as well as some sailing in large canoes leaving the shores of the Americas, heading out to sea in the direction towards the African Continent (John Jackson, Man, God, and Civilization, p. 286).

    Descendants of the Olmecs who were living in America at the time Columbus arrived were the Black Wasschitaw of Mississippi, Black Mojave of California and the Jamassee of Georgia.

    There is presently a law suit before the courts in the USA filed by a group of African Americans who claim to be descendants of the Black Wasschitaw Nation, and their Legal Claim is demanding the USA government return millions of acres of land taken from their forebears back to them.

    The Olmec Civilization was known for its high order of Mathematics, Pyramids and Calendar. Scientists today say the Olmec’s Calendar was more accurate than the modern day Gregorian Calendar in use (J. Jackson, Man, God and Civilization, quoting Colonel Alexandre Braghine, The Shadow of Atlantis, E.P. Dutton & Co., New York, 1940; Dr. Diop, Nations, Negres et Culture, ibid. p. 116); Professor Michael D. Coe of Yale University (1967) and Dr. Matthew Sterling (1938), Director of the Bureau of American Ethnology—branch of Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C.

    Moreover, Colonel A. Braghine says that he saw in a collection in Ecuador a statuette of a Negro that is at least “20,000 years old”. He adds: “Some statues of the Indian gods in Central America possess typical Negro features and certain prehistoric monuments there undoubtedly represent Negroes” (Colonel A. Braghine, The Shadow of Atlantis, pp. 40-42, New York, USA., 1940).

    A fitting statement was made by Professor Weiner of Harvard University (“Africa and the Discovery of America”, Vol. III, Philadelphia 1920-1922). He shows how the culture of Americas so closely resembles African culture that one must conclude the African origins of America.

    “The Identity of the spiritual civilization, down to the remotest details in the Sudan and in Mexico and elsewhere in America, leads to the assumption that other cultural elements, identical in both continents and frequently bearing the same name are of African origin.”

    And lastly, R.A. Jairazbhdy, Ancient Egyptians and Chinese in America, has pointed out, “The black began his career in America not as slave but as master” (Kemit, Kush, What They Never Told You in History Books, p. 27b, New York, USA). China: The Shang Dynasty (Chiang or Chi’ang) 1766-1100 B.C.E., was one of the oldest dynasties in China before the Mongoloid Asians came to power, and it was an all Black Africoid Dynasty (Runoko Rashidi-Essay by James Brunson, African Presence In Early China, p. 128, Transaction Publishers, New Brunswick USA).

    Also, today, in Southwest China are descendants of Ancient Black Africoids known as ‘Nahki’ in the Chinese language, meaning the ‘Black ones’. They are also called the ‘Yi’ or ‘Nuoso’ (Toronto’s Globe and Mail Newspaper, 1998, Joseph S. Rock, ‘The Ancient Nakhi Kingdom of Southwest China, Volume I).

    According to Dr. Diop, 15,000 years Before Present, interbreeding between the Black Africoid and Caucasoid white created the Chancellade Man (prototype of yellow race). This contact was made around the Caspian Sea area of the Caucasus Mountains during the Reindeer Period in the Magdalenian Age.

    The epicanthic eyelid developed as a result of this group migrating to Outer Mongolia where the high wind factor caused the eyelid fold (Dr. Diop, Civilization or Barbarism, p 16). India: The first Indians were Black Africoid people. The earliest Indian settlement dates from the 6th millennium B.C.E. and earlier.

    The geographical area of existence was in today’s Baluchistan and in lower Sind, to the north and west of present day Karachi. These cities were known as Mohenjo-Daro and Harappen. The “elaborate construction of these cities with hygienic sewage systems was like a minute version of Manhattan Island New York” (Rashidi/Van Sertima, African Presence in Early Asia, p 91, Transction Publishers, New Brunswick (USA), 1985).

    Between 3000 to 2500 B.C.E., barbaric Aryan-Whites coming from the steppes of the Caucasus Mountains destroyed this civilization, and interbreed with their Black female captives.

    Modern Archaeologists have uncovered evidence which shows that in Mohenjo-Daro even women and children were beaten to death. Historian H.G. Rawlinson pointed out: “Mohenjo-Daro inhabitants were put to the sword by the barbarian Aryan-Whites coming from the Caucasus Mountains.”

    Also, author E. Hawkride, Indian Gods and Kings on page 10, tells of the savage barbarism inflicted on the Blacks by these Aryan-Whites from the Caucasus (Paul Lawrence Guthrie, Making of The Whiteman, page 11, Beacon Communications, San Diego, Cal., USA, 1992).

    There are 160 million Black people living in India, today. This is the largest known concentration of Blacks in any country in the world, including Africa. Forty five million of these Blacks fall under the Indian Government’s classification—Adivasi. This means the Original owners of India. Japan: The first Japanese were Black.

    There is a very evident Negro strain in a certain element of the Japanese population, particularly those of south Japan. H. Imbert, who is the author of Les Negritos de la Chine, also points out that: “The Negro element in Japan is recognizable by the Negroid aspect of certain inhabitants with dark and often blackish skin, frizzy to curly hair….

    The Negritoes are the Oldest Race of the Far East. Skulls of these Negritoes have been found in the island of Formosa (Taiwan China, today) and traces of this Negroid element in the island of Liu-kiu to the south of Japan. The oldest known inhabitants of Japan are the Ainus.

    According to Churchward in his book ‘Signs and Symbols of Primordial Man’ the Ainu….are of the same original race and type as the Australian Aborigines and their bodies correspond with the rituals of Ancient Egypt.

    Their skulls are of the same shape and average capacity of the Australians and Nilotic Negroes. According to a Japanese proverb: For A Sumari Warrior To Be Brave, He Must Have A Bit Of Black Blood (Dr. Diop, African Origin of Civilization—Myth or Reality).

    The disappearance or extinction of these Black Africoid civilizations and its people throughout Europe (6000 years ago); Asia (2500-800 B.C.E.); and the Americas (3000B.C.E.), comes as a result of the dispersion of hordes of barbarian Aryan-White tribes coming from the Caucasus Mountains (4000 B.C.E. going).

    These Aryan-Whites scattered throughout Europe, Asia and the Americas and destroyed these Black Africoid societies, interbreed with their female captives, creating other mixed racial groups along the way (example: Asians and Arabs), (Dr. Diop, Civilization or Barbarism, p 19). Ancient Egypt: A Black Kingdom (Foundational Base of American & European Culture, Philosophy, Religion, Medicine & Science)

    Some people are hostile to things they have rejected and do not see that this was an all African world before the advent of the European.