Astronomy [MISSION COVERAGE] Genesis

Discussion in 'Astronomy' started by JcMinJapan, Sep 7, 2004.

  1. JcMinJapan

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  2. Cinderloft

    Cinderloft Premium Member

    I am very anxious to see the results come in from this. As with any first experiment, this could also be a tad dangerous as well.
  3. JcMinJapan

    JcMinJapan Premium Member

    I am actually watching this on NASA TV now.... I hope the caposule is ok. All that hard work ,,, it would be a shame if it was destroyed.
  4. Cinderloft

    Cinderloft Premium Member

    I am worried about the concentrations of what is inside being set loose upon the earth. This could have lasting ramifications. Hope no one was around at the time. Checking the news now...
  5. Zsandmann

    Zsandmann Premium Member

    DUGWAY PROVING GROUND, Utah (Sept. 8) -- The Genesis space capsule, which had orbited the sun for more than three years in an attempt to find clues to the origin of the solar system, crashed to Earth on Wednesday after its parachute failed to deploy.

    It wasn't immediately known whether cosmic samples it was carrying back as part of a six-year, $260 million project had been destroyed. NASA officials believed the fragile disks that held the atoms would shatter even if the capsule hit the ground with a parachute.

    ''There was a big pit in my stomach,'' said physicist Roger Wiens of Los Alamos National Laboratory, which designed the atom collector plates. ''This just wasn't supposed to happen. We're going to have a lot of work picking up the pieces.''

    Hollywood stunt pilots had taken off in helicopters to hook the parachute, but the refrigerator-sized capsule - holding a set of fragile disks containing billions of atoms collected from solar wind - hit the desert floor without the parachute opening.

    The impact drove the capsule halfway underground. NASA engineers feared the explosive for the parachute might still be alive and ready to fire, keeping helicopter crews at bay.

    ''That presents a safety hazard to recovery crews,'' said Chris Jones, solar system exploration director for NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory

    The copters were supposed to #@!&% the capsule's parachute with a hook as it floated down at 400 feet a minute, or more than 6 feet per second. But the capsule tumbled out of control. It was supposed to be spinning at 15 revolutions a minute to slice evenly through the atmosphere, but camera images showed it tumbling instead.

    Scientists hoped the capsule's charged atoms - a ''billion billion'' of them - would reveal clues about the origin and evolution of our solar system, said Don Burnett, Genesis principal investigator and a nuclear geochemist at California Institute of Technology.

    ''We have for years wanted to know the composition of the sun,'' Burnett said before the crash. He said scientists had expected to analyze the material ''one atom at a time.''

    Genesis had been moving in tandem with Earth outside its magnetic shield on three orbits of the sun.

    Cliff Fleming, the lead helicopter pilot, and backup pilot Dan Rudert had replicated the retrieval in dozens of practice runs. Fleming and Rudert, stunt pilots by trade, were drafted for the mission because of their expertise flying high and capturing objects. Fleming has swooped after sky surfers in the action movie ''#@!&%'' and towed actor Pierce Brosnan through the air in ''Dante's Peak.'' He just worked on ''Batman 4.''

    The Genesis mission, launched in 2001, marked the first time NASA has collected any objects from farther than the moon for retrieval to Earth, said Roy Haggard, Genesis' flight operations chief and CEO of Vertigo Inc., which designed the capture system.

    Together, the charged atoms captured over 884 days on the capsule's disks of gold, sapphire, diamond and silicone were no bigger than a few grains of salt, but scientists say that would be enough to reconstruct the chemical origin of the sun and its family of planets.

    Scientists had expected to study the material for five more years.


    NOTE: I posted the whole article because it was an aol link and many dont have AOL, the original article is from the associated press.
  6. JcMinJapan

    JcMinJapan Premium Member

    Some good news

    This is good news, it only looks like a small breach!

  7. JcMinJapan

    JcMinJapan Premium Member

    Canster transported to the clean room

  8. Zsandmann

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    This is great news, maybe some of the project can be salvaged after all, but I read the four disks were very fragile and would break if they landed under parachute, that why the copters were gonna catch it, so there may still be reprecussions from the crash.
  9. Cinderloft

    Cinderloft Premium Member

    It is both good and bad news in my opinion. Good because some of the science may turn out to be salvagable which would negate the total loss of $260 million dollars. Bad because since both layers have been cracked, there is the risk of contamination from one thing or another. We all know that neither NASA nor the government are very forthcoming with truth and facts. That said, a few months ago there was a theory bounding around as to the origins of life on planets, that life was spread via cosmic dust floating around. Although the chances are small, this may lead us to our first extra terrestrial contact via a virus/other organism that we brought in. The next few weeks and months, we should keep an eye on the possible ramifications and developments of what has happened. Good science involves taking all necessary precautions.
  10. Fiorina 161

    Fiorina 161 Member

    this souns judt like this book

    The Andromeda Strain , Michael Crichton
    if you have read it, you'll see that alot of
    suff if sim.[some one who thought this up must of read the book or saw the movie]
    makes you wonder what are they really going
    to do with the stuff they got from the mission.
    i reread what you posted again and was that the first one
    to bring stuff back here?[other then the moon missions]
    there was a pic i saw that had the guys from the coptors
    running up to the crashed canister , out in the open,
    then they say they put it in a clean room?
    you think those stunt men had to go threw
    tests to see if they got anything from the canister ?
    should we be looking on the net for storys, from
    the area that it came down in ,in case something happins to
    the locals?
  11. JcMinJapan

    JcMinJapan Premium Member

    September 9th News Release

    Genesis Mission Status Report
    September 09, 2004

    Genesis team specialists are beginning the process of conducting inventory of the contents of the craft's science canister.

    The canister is inside a clean room at the U.S. Army Dugway Proving Ground, Utah. Scientists are hopeful that the recovered Genesis samples will be sufficient to achieve the mission's science goals. The team is handling the canister and the sample return capsule in a methodical manner. When this inventory is completed, the materials will be transferred to NASA's Johnson Space Center, Houston, as originally planned.

    NASA is convening a Mishap Investigation Board to determine why the Genesis drogue parachute failed to deploy.

    For information about the Genesis Sample Return Mission on the Internet, visit or . For more information about NASA on the Internet, visit
  12. Zsandmann

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  13. JcMinJapan

    JcMinJapan Premium Member

    This is very very good news for the mission.
  14. Cinderloft

    Cinderloft Premium Member

    Excellent! As long as it isnt lip service and they are able to recover the science, this is good news. I am willing to believe it better though once I see the results in a few months for my own eyes.
  15. JcMinJapan

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    Well, it has been a while since we have heard anything about the mission, so I went on a hunt for whats happening. Apperantly, nothing much... ha ha

    They seem to be taking it slowly apart right now and checking everything very carefully. Well, I hate waiting, but this is the smart way! But, form what I read, it is promising though!.
  16. JcMinJapan

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    GREAT NEWS. I cannot wait to see what they can get.!

  17. Fiorina 161

    Fiorina 161 Member


    what do we know about, U.S. Army Proving Ground in Dugway, Utah.
    that woulden't be a bio-weapons test and/ or storage site would
    it? also now that i thought about it what dose " Genesis", mean?
    so, go to space, get stuff ,bring back to earth, call it
    Genesis[life] and people wonder why i don't like to go out doors,
    *shakes head*, dumb dumb nasa.
  18. Mizar

    Mizar Premium Member

    THey called it genisis becaue in the bible GEnisis was teh book of creation and the pourpose of the mission was to get dust samples from comets that containd the raw materials that our solar system was made of. they are trying to get an ideal fo solar system formation and what teh solar system was like in early times when earth was still like a volcaninc blob of lava.
  19. JcMinJapan

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    The samples arrived this last week in Houston... Let the games begin! I cannot wait for the results to come pouring out. ;)

    PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011

    October 5, 2004
    Donald Savage
    Headquarters, Washington

    William Jeffs
    Johnson Space Center, Houston

    D.C. Agle
    Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

    NOTE TO EDITORS: #J04-040

    Scientists are optimistic that samples of the Sun that arrived in Houston on Monday will provide important information on the history and origin of the solar system.

    Following an extensive recovery effort since its Sept. 8 impact at a Utah landing site, the first scientific samples from the Genesis space probe arrived at NASA's Johnson Space Center late on Monday, Oct. 4.

    Media are invited to view the Genesis sample shipping containers at JSC at 1 p.m. CDT Wednesday, Oct. 6, before they are moved into the specially constructed Genesis Laboratory. Media wishing to attend should contact the JSC newsroom at 281-483-5111.

    Personnel involved with the curation of the Genesis samples at JSC are available for interviews today, and video of the Genesis arrival at Ellington Field will air on the NASA Television Video File today. Still imagery of the arrival at Ellington Field and JSC is available on the internet at: The quantity of material recovered from Genesis will be determined by further study at JSC. The samples are the first extraterrestrial matter returned by a U.S. spacecraft since 1972, when the last moon rocks were carried back to Earth by Apollo astronauts. Over the coming days, the samples, numbered and packaged in separate carrying cases, will be moved to the Genesis clean room where they will be preserved and protected. Samples will be distributed to scientists to study over the coming months and years, beginning with members of the Genesis Science Team.

    NASA TV is available in the continental U.S. on AMC-6, Transponder 9C, C-Band, at 72 degrees west longitude. The frequency is 3880.0 MHz. Polarization is vertical, and audio is monaural at 6.80 MHz. In Alaska and Hawaii, NASA TV is available on AMC-7, Transponder 18C, C-Band, at 137 degrees west longitude. Frequency is 4060.0 MHz. Polarization is vertical, and audio is monaural at 6.80 MHz. NASA TV is available on the Internet at: Information on the JSC Genesis Team is available at:

    For more information about the Genesis mission on the Internet, visit:
  20. JcMinJapan

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    PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011

    October 14, 2004

    Donald Savage (202) 358-1727
    Headquarters, Washington

    NEWS RELEASE: 2004-345 October 14, 2004

    As scientists begin to unpack more than 3,000 containers of samples of the sun brought to Earth by NASA's Genesis mission, the Mishap Investigation Board (MIB) has identified a likely direct cause of the failure of Genesis' parachute system to open.

    The parachute system failed to deploy when Genesis returned to Earth September 8, 2004. The MIB, analyzing the Genesis capsule at a facility near Denver, said the likely cause was
    a design error that involves the orientation of gravity-switch devices. The switches sense the braking caused by the high-speed entry into the atmosphere, and then initiate the timing sequence leading to deployment of the craft's drogue parachute and parafoil.

    "This single cause has not yet been fully confirmed, nor has it been determined whether it is the only problem within the Genesis system," said Dr. Michael G. Ryschkewitsch, the MIB chair. "The Board is working to confirm this proximate cause, to determine why this error happened, why it was not caught by the test program and an extensive set of in-process and after-the-fact reviews of the Genesis system."

    Meanwhile, scientists unpacking samples at NASA's Johnson Space Center (JSC), Houston, curation facility remain upbeat in their assessment of the prospects for obtaining useful
    science from the recovered samples.

    The facility counted more than 3,000 tracking numbers for the containers that hold pieces of wafers from the five collector panels. The panels secured samples of atoms and ions from the solar wind that were collected during Genesis' nearly three-year mission in deep space. Some of the containers hold as many as 96 pieces of the wafers. The team has been preparing the samples for study since the science payload and recovered samples arrived at JSC October 4.

    Planning is under way for preliminary examination of the samples to prepare for allocation to the science community. The samples eventually will be moved to the JSC Genesis clean room where they will be cleaned, examined and then distributed to scientists, promising researchers years of study into the origins and evolution of the solar system.

    "We cheered the news from the science team about the recovery of a significant amount of the precious samples of the sun," said Dr. Ghassem Asrar, deputy associate administrator for the Science Mission Directorate at NASA Headquarters, Washington. "Despite the hard landing, Genesis was able to deliver. However, we await the final report of the Mishap Board to understand what caused the malfunction, and to hear the Board's recommendations for how we can avoid such a problem in the future," he added.

    The recovered remains of the Sample Return Capsule (SRC) are undergoing engineering inspections and tests at the Waterton, Colo., facility of Lockheed Martin Astronautics (LMA). The Genesis spacecraft and SRC were built at Waterton. Lockheed Martin is supporting the MIB both to examine the recovered hardware and in assembling documentation relevant to the development of the space system.

    "Both Lockheed Martin and JPL have been providing every possible support to our investigation. All of the people from both organizations who were involved in the Genesis project have been extremely professional and cooperative in helping the Board do its work," said Dr. Ryschkewitsch.

    The safety critical pyrotechnic devices and the damaged lithium sulfur dioxide battery have been secured to allow safe operations. The battery has been transported to the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena (JPL), Calif., to begin detailed evaluation.The MIB is evaluating the recovered hardware, pertinent documentation, impact site recovery activities and interviewing people from development teams.

    The MIB is using a fault tree as its guide. A fault tree is a formal method for determining, organizing and evaluating possible direct causes for a mishap and to trace them to root causes.

    The Board's charter is to examine every possible cause and to determine whether it was related to the mishap. The Board expects to complete its work by late November.

    For more information about the Genesis mission on the Internet, visit:

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