# Metaphysics How many grains of sand does it take to make a pile?

Discussion in 'Metaphysics' started by Icewolf, Mar 28, 2005.

This is an age old philosophy question and I always guessed it had to do with "where do we draw the line?"

For example, (sorry any americans) their rights to keep and bear arms, where do they draw the line? from a handgun to a shotgun, that right isn't specific enough but how does common sense and morality answer the question,

How many grains of sand does it take to make a pile?

- Ice -

Well,I would have to say 4. Three on the bottom and then one on top to make it stackable. So, 4 makes a pile... ha ha

Well, how many pieces of hair does a guy need to lose before is can be called bald?

3. ### Mark♤♡◇♧Staff Member

One,..

in a pile of atoms.

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As long as you have the David Letterman "tuft" on the front center portion of your scalp , you can never be bald . If you don't , "the line" is drawn at where your neck hair and beard start growing . If there is no hair above them , then you are bald...

re: guns : Most of us have two hands , so two is the logical amount of guns to have blazing at the same time . As far as Americans and guns: We have this loophole in our rule book that allows us to strap as many weapons to our bodies as is equal to our body weight . We take no offence on anyones lack of ability to do the same....

AND ...... How big is this alleged pile of sand ?

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I would have to say that a pile of sand would be 100 grains, just enough so that the first response of the viewer would be "Oh there is a pile of sand".

What if it was spread out ? I must have 100 grains of sand in my kitchen , but no piles...

Could we kinda get back to the philosophy way of looking at this, i think the question behind this is where do we draw the line.

How long is the coastline of England?

Theoretically speaking, the coastline is infinite in length (chew on that one - infinite circumference, finite area). Practically speaking, it depends upon the length of your ruler.

It's a matter of scale and perception.

Thus it is for any situation where we have to "draw a line." Take me, for instance: I shave my head, hence from a distance I appear bald. If you look close enough, however, you will see that I have a full head of hair, even if they are only a couple hundred microns in length.

The right to bear arms is extremely complicated in that it involves social, political, and economical considerations, but it can all be simplified to perception.

There can be no universal standard for dividing complicated objects or processes into simple abstract groups.

Where do we draw the line? Wherever we want to.