Relationships Ah! The Return Of An American Tradition!

Discussion in 'Relationships' started by Seth Bullock, Dec 3, 2004.

  1. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Premium Member

    Yes folks it's true. The Fabled Mustang Ranch may soon be opening it's door again.

    Actually, whether or not they keep the name is beside the point.

    The real question here, and how it ties into Ignorancedenied, is the larger question of whether or not prostitution, the world’s oldest profession, should be legal at all.

    I think it should, and let me tell you why.

    First, it happens. All the laws in the land are never going to stop it.

    Second, it’s a moneymaker! And, everybody wins! Imagine the tax revenue it would create if it were legal all over the land.

    Third, if it were legal it could be regulated. Mandatory health checks, AIDS screening etc., safe sex would be the law of the land.

    It has been legal in parts of Nevada for years. Seems to have worked out pretty well except for some financial shenanigans that could and do happen in any industry.

    So here is the thing. I want to know your opinions for and against from an Ignorancedenied point of view.

    Let’s make the world a happier place! :up:
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  2. pineappleupsidedown

    pineappleupsidedown Premium Member

    But if that becomes legal, then it would not be hard to set up a shop anywhere, being a legitimate business. then it would be more previlent and opens the risk to corrupting children at younger ages then they already are.

  3. /Future Corpse/

    /Future Corpse/ Premium Member

    I could only assume that it would be regualted like everything else. I believe there is something on the books in the US stating the age at which a person is legally allowed to ingage in sexual relations.
  4. Zsandmann

    Zsandmann Premium Member

    Its another one of those things like marijuana where more money is spent enforcing the block of it than would be spent regulating it. I may not agree with it but if its legal people wont go for the cheaply done, dirty, back-alley stuff. They will go for the safe and tested stuff, whatever 'stuff' might be.
  5. helenheaven

    helenheaven Premium Member

    In New Zealand last year the Prositution Reform Bill was passed making it legal to be a prostitute or live off the earnings of a prostitute.

    The city council has tried to manage this by only allowing brothels in certain areas, ie not in suburbs or suburban homes. This is now being challenged by prostitutes on the basis that they should be allowed to work anywhere they please.

    Personally, I am against the act. It makes me feel ill when I see cars circling the red light areas with "baby on board" stickers on their cars. I think of some poor young mum stuck at home with a baby while her husband's out spending $$$$ on a prostitute.

    Now that it is legal it is a valid career choice for young women, and is promoted as such. Would you want your daughters to opt for this career path ?

    The Prostitutes collective argue it is a good thing that they can now pay taxes etc, but the reality is a lot of drugged women being controlled by pimps and kept in a life of misery and diseases.
  6. Mizar

    Mizar Premium Member

    Yea, Future corpse, I do believe that the laws state that it is illegal for minors to have intercourse. im not sure though. I do know that its illegal for someone over 18 to have intercourse with someone under 18.

    Edit: spelling.... again ( crap and i still missed it all n/m)
  7. marg6043

    marg6043 Premium Member

    Is the oldest business in the world is going to be legal it should be regulated and safe, and it should no be allowed in areas that are not close to family homes or children.

    I think that people should do with their bodies anything they want but keep it safe for others.
  8. Aubiefan05

    Aubiefan05 Member

    I agree that it has to be legalized in order to be regulated as well as possible, when you put a blanket ban on something there's no way to control it, and I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe that banning things will cause the objectionable activities to stop, they'll inevitably just go underground and often become much more dangerous than if they were officially sanctioned.
  9. pineappleupsidedown

    pineappleupsidedown Premium Member

    There is a law, in california, saying you have tobe over 18 to have sex legally.

    and NOBODY breaks that law...of course not...

  10. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Premium Member

    Well, brothels would be subject to zoning laws, using ones similar to those of adult book stores would be a good start. And, I don't see how it would corrupt children, or even affect them in any way.

    FC and Z, I agree.

    Do you think that would not be happening if it were not legal? I'll bet you the same guys would still be there. Except in the unregulated "back alley" way, they would be much more likely to bring some disease home to mum.

    Of course not. But I don't want them to be waitresses or counter clerks either, among many other things. Not that there is anything wrong with waitresses or counter clerks, or legal prostittutes for that matter.

    If this is truly the case, then New Zealand needs to revamp there regulations. Nevada's are very strict, and the legal prostitutes are clean and healthy. (And I am not speaking from personal experience, so don't even go there.)

    Mizar, I would bet that the age of consent for legal bothels would be set at 21.

    Marg, I agree, zoning would have to be carefully controlled as stated earlier.

    Aubie, I agree.

    And pine, about that no sex until 18, well I think we all know how effective that law is.
  11. pineappleupsidedown

    pineappleupsidedown Premium Member

    Personally I believe it would be a hard sell to parents. A waitress and a prositiue do not compare.

  12. mscbkc070904

    mscbkc070904 Premium Member

    Just a quick response on this...a benefactor in some degree that is should be legal would help out the fact of people going out and gettign hitched cause they got pregnant. Maybe pregnancy would reduce in the country if they had the option of going to a Pro-Hall for action. Will it stop it from happening, NO, but it could reduce it quite a bit and also make some of them a educating arena. But if you are married, shouldnt be a place you go to. I remember a long time ago, my first wife told me she rather me go pay $150 and have sex with a hooker than go out and have an affair. Just points to make...

    But overall, i dont sponsor it, however, if you cant stop it and its unsafe, its better to make it legal and regulate it.
  13. overrocked

    overrocked Premium Member

    by all means let it be legal- by simply not enforcing laws currently on the books ( like they do for many laws already )

    1. do not tax (let it be -tip- oriented)
    2. do not let it be mandatory for unemployed women or men as an option against collecting unemployment benefits - it is not a profession that most women find plausible- or men for that matter -
    3. legalize marijuana while you are at it + tax the living hell out of it-
  14. JcMinJapan

    JcMinJapan Premium Member

    I would have to agree with Seth on this issue.

    There are many places that are controlled when and even where they can operate, such a bars and other drinking establishments. The type of business would just be controlled in this same way.

    Well, I think Seth made a great point, but did not go into further detail. No, you could not compare the two in terms of what we consider moral. I would not want my daughter to be a waitress, but I would want her to be a waitress more than a prostitute. Could you think of situations that controlled prostitution could be better than the alternative though? What I think Seth was saying is that there are many jobs that we would not want our kids to take. Some are more moral than others and some are based on necessity more than others as well. I do not think that prostution will be a career of choice even if it does become legal, good case in point is a PORN ACTOR or ACTRESS. It is legal, they are getting paid to have sex for films, but it has not taken off especially as a job of choice.

    [Edited on 18-2-2005 by JcMinJapan]
  15. Ikebana

    Ikebana Member

    You Betcha!!! There ARE a lot of jobs we parents would rather die than see one of our children do. Unfortunately, no matter how moral you might raise a child, it does not mean that child might not do exactly as they please or be co-erced into. Instead of making laws to govern and protect these kinds of jobs, why not just make them 'against the law' Ohhhhhhh that's right, they already ARE against the laws, well in most places. :brkdnc:
  16. MJAC

    MJAC New Member

    when the bill was past in new zealand it was a tie with all but on mp still to vote and he voted yes. i heard that the guy who said yes, in his country prositution is againt there religion and (i think he was muslim or something like that) and there were A LOT of angry people protesting about it. i cant remember all of it does all this sound about right helen
  17. helenheaven

    helenheaven Premium Member

    Yeah a Muslim MP called Choudry abstained from voting(if I recall) hence allowing the legislation through....woossy way out of having to make a decision...
  18. MidnightDStroyer

    MidnightDStroyer New Member

    Actually, prostitution is the world's second oldest profession. The oldest profession is Soldier...Prostitution began as a response to get some of the soldier's pay out of him...

    But still, I believe that prostitution should be legalized, for the same reasons you've already mentioned. As well, it would also pretty much shut down the obvious crimnial activity that always takes advantadge of a profession that's declared illegal...One of which, that you haven't mentioned, is "slave trafficking"...
  19. Icewolf

    Icewolf Premium Member

    I'm too young and innocent to be able to trully contribute, but it's there bodies let them do what they wish. As long as they don't endager their lives what's wrong with it?

    - Ice -
  20. lashlarue

    lashlarue New Member

    I've been to the "old" Mustang Ranch. Once a year an
    old friend pays me to chaffuer him for a weekend of
    debauchery which used to include the "Stang", Moonlight
    Ranch, and the fabled Kit Kat Club. While he "does his
    thing" I sit out in the lobby(designated driver so no
    inbibing)or sip coke in the bar while the girls,one after
    another, hit on me. I usually buy them drinks, plug the
    jukebox, and dance with them. The last time we left they
    were literally hanging out the window waving goodbye and
    screaming their thanks for our patronage.Not much
    happening there on Sunday nights.Personally I have
    never utilized the services offered by these establish-
    ments..........Really.......Just seems weird........